tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post2457190432381549699..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: The Totalitarian ImpulseCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-61550777936531605312007-06-12T12:23:00.000-07:002007-06-12T12:23:00.000-07:00Excellent post Crushed. I especially loved the end...Excellent post Crushed. I especially loved the ending.Really makes people think! Peoplealsolikethemob mentality for they may behave in socially unacceptable ways without accountability..and thus are reduced to the savage beast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-56608600886207275122007-06-12T13:00:00.000-07:002007-06-12T13:00:00.000-07:00Yes, excellent post, Crushed. You are right - we ...Yes, excellent post, Crushed. You are right - we all wasnt to feel that we "belong" and sometimes it can be a very dangerous instinct. Then by the time we realise that something is amiss, it is too late. Also, sadly, totalitarian governments, by their very nature, are often "efficient " - and this can be very attractive, especially where you have a nation where chaos has been the norm. History bears this out over and over again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-20560184599100169222007-06-12T14:09:00.000-07:002007-06-12T14:09:00.000-07:00well said dood. humans are social beings and inst...well said dood. humans are social beings and instinctually have that need to belong. not that i haven't experienced that totalitarian thrill, but the nazi reference made the point so vivid and brought it home for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-57586946428575367732007-06-12T15:19:00.000-07:002007-06-12T15:19:00.000-07:00I felt like I was reading Marx there in its style ...I felt like I was reading Marx there in its style (I mean that as a compliment).<br><br>You are correct in what you say, nationalism equates to tribalism. In a world of 7/8 billion people, people need to feel a sense of national identity in order to feel significant in a world wildly beyond their control.<br><br>A deep primal need that runs deep through the animal kingdom is the need to feel significant. It's the one need that drives inter-special conflict right down the chain.<br><br>Animals only kill other species for survival... never for significance; this only occurs within the same species.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-52455704870019260942007-06-12T15:53:00.000-07:002007-06-12T15:53:00.000-07:00I've been meaning to ask.WTF is an 'INGSOC'...I've been meaning to ask.<br>WTF is an 'INGSOC'...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-15081803142566942762007-06-12T17:50:00.000-07:002007-06-12T17:50:00.000-07:00Freya- Sadly, true. Especially in our culture. Oth...Freya- Sadly, true. Especially in our culture. Otherwise, reality TV would never work.<br><br>Welshcakes- Our 'free' societies fail by not recognising these primal urges and using them for the good. 2,000 years of Christianity shows that these animal urges can serve a purpose.<br><br>Raffi- Don't worry, we all experience those feelings, that's partly wehy we are so fascinated by endless documentaries about the Nazis. Because secretly, we see the attraction. Those guys were very good at what they did. And living through 1997 showed me that such urges still existed amogst red blooded males. We actually love our fellow man so much more than we realise, but this is often turned against us.<br><br>David- Nationalism has historically been the acceptable harnessing of these urges. It made sense in a certain stage of socio-technological progress, especially when linked to capitalist development. Now both are anachronisms. Because we are not now a collection of western powers scrabbling for a place in the sun.<br>We are human beings looking to move beyond this rock.<br><br>Fingers- Not the first, almost certainly not the last to ask. Ingsoc is the the name of the totalitarian system in 1984 by George Orwell. The main purpose of my blog is to discuss our future, one I hope isn't blighted by past failures. Because I want the best possible world for my children, as I think we all do.<br><br>But obviously, sometimes I just come online to have some fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-39342246630160507332007-06-12T18:06:00.000-07:002007-06-12T18:06:00.000-07:00Oh fuckety, fuck, fuck, fuck !!!Eng Soc...it's bee...Oh fuckety, fuck, fuck, fuck !!!<br>Eng Soc...it's been a long time since I read that book but I should have known. Doh.<br>Still, I take solace in knowing who The Poe Toaster is.<br>Good luck changing the world, people. With no heirs, I have little stake in the outcome of course. Selfish, I know...but as Yossarian said 'I'd be a fool to think any other way' given my circumstances...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-63020626091352843972007-06-12T19:09:00.000-07:002007-06-12T19:09:00.000-07:00And we kid ourselves if it is not partly being par...<i>And we kid ourselves if it is not partly being part of that tribal solidarity, that blending of yourself into the greater body.</i><br><br>You're right.<br><br>Great post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-87356233575529898202007-06-13T08:43:00.000-07:002007-06-13T08:43:00.000-07:00That was a good post... quite thought provoking to...That was a good post... quite thought provoking too. I think that Totalitarian govts can work for the short run -- to give the people time to regroup. But I can't see it working for a long time. Well it can work, but just not as ideally as others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com