tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post2667367057168477901..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: Of Chimney Sweeps and Bakers, of Communes and KingsCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-57309483261011466392008-10-19T09:24:00.000-07:002008-10-19T09:24:00.000-07:00What if the infidelity thing is just to give her a...What if the infidelity thing is just to give her a "reason" for divorcing him when she needs to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-88165882831477047262008-10-19T15:05:00.000-07:002008-10-19T15:05:00.000-07:00Surely as a friend you should be helping your frie...Surely as a friend you should be helping your friend by supporting his marriage? Not helping him ruin it.<br><br>You might not like the fact he's married. And you might not like the woman he's married to. But he chose to marry her and you should at least respect his choice and support him when he needs you.<br><br>Don't be part of the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-76025762174629420342008-10-19T22:13:00.000-07:002008-10-19T22:13:00.000-07:00> It really is always there for the taking, it ...> It really is always there for the taking, it just depends on how many rose tints you want to adjust your beer goggles with.<br>Hehe. I was thinking the same thing myself! :-)<br><br>blue eyes has a point - it's a set up, if you say she's just biding her time. smart girl. and even if he'd recorded her voice saying all she did, she'd still win in a UK law court, i'd bet (i've heard it's very pro the woman ;-)).<br><br>> The Baker clicked onto something I'd not thought of. 'xxx, if she's saying that, it's to cover herself.<br>AH, that was my first thought. you tell him he can do it, cos you're doing it too. hehe. the 'he's not white' is funny... heheh ;-) just like her 'sister' rule. interesting, to see how they view it. in some ways, though, she sounds like your ideal woman, crushed - she supports the idea of free love (just that she can't bring herself to acknowledge it yet, cos the pride is still there).<br><br>very interesting... and you'll know the ending in 2 years. but it couldn't be any other way (unless you secretly get the dirt on her, as a backup), cos if he loved her, you wouldn't be able to change his mind...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-63329851993785683422008-10-19T23:57:00.000-07:002008-10-19T23:57:00.000-07:00I'm both cringing and laughing at this post... it'...I'm both cringing and laughing at this post... it's "nice" to know how men think, sometimes....I think....<br><br>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-70454676114720666452008-10-20T00:15:00.000-07:002008-10-20T00:15:00.000-07:00I'm with Kate on this, lol! But yes, that Zimbabw...I'm with Kate on this, lol! But yes, that Zimbabwean woman. What to do? If you tell him then you could ruin your friendship with him as he might freak out and turn on you. If you say nothing he could be walking into a lions den, and as your friend it's your duty to watch out for him...I don't know. That's a tough one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-26511643658252422252008-10-20T03:02:00.000-07:002008-10-20T03:02:00.000-07:00Call me cynical and unromantic, but I had not even...Call me cynical and unromantic, but I had not even got to the bit where you mention Baker’s suspicions on the ‘blank paper’ when I had thought the same thing and gone on to consider the point blue eyes made…<br><br>Thing is, free love is ok in theory, but you have to be able to trust that everyone involved is going to be careful about STDs. Weirdly enough, as an example, you can’t always necessarily trust the word of someone who would say almost anything to just get into your pants.<br><br>Then there is shared property, that complicates things too<br><br>I know it’s only based on your possibly not totally objective account but I guess I have formed some doubts of Sweep’s "Sue's" motives. <br><br>Squeeak squeeak, "What's that you say sweep?"<br><br>Maybe you should try to watch out for Sweep, he might just be heading for some hurt, emotional and financial. <br><br>Maybe he might need someone to get his back for him. <br><br>Maybe that would be you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-57637661322593908722008-10-20T03:18:00.000-07:002008-10-20T03:18:00.000-07:00Oh and what’s this hokum about it does not count i...Oh and what’s this hokum about it does not count if you are intimate with someone who is black/white, or white/black, depending?<br><br>What about people of other races? What about boy on boy or girl on girl? I am not sure about the thinking behind that idea, sounds like maybe it needs a spring clean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-2171402282911367182008-10-20T08:20:00.000-07:002008-10-20T08:20:00.000-07:00Cynical but I am sure you have something thereCynical but I am sure you have something thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-25477997924874091962008-10-20T11:52:00.000-07:002008-10-20T11:52:00.000-07:00Blue Eyes- Well, that could be possible. As I say,...Blue Eyes- Well, that could be possible. As I say, I am always supicious of her motives. She and I have an uneasy truce. That's to say, I've told her I trust her absolutely. I think we both know that's not so.<br><br>Bunny- I help my friend by giving him what I consider to be the best advice with his best interests at heart.<br>Since for the life of me I don't think either this marriage or sexual fidelity are his best interests, you'd hardly expect me to go out on a limb to support the marriage. He knows that. He knows hw has my full support, the marriage doesn't.<br><br>One thing my friends know they'll always get from me is totally honest advice. As in, they get to hear what I really think, not what I think they want to hear, or someone else thinks they should hear.<br><br>She is quite well aware I regard him as still being my responsibility whether she likes it or not, and he will always remain so. She knows damn well I'm watching her.<br><br>When a friendship has proved it can last for life, that gives it a status over and above a 'marriage' which may probably not.<br><br>Eve- Yes, I suspect he's riding for a fall. Pity, he's a damn nice guy.<br><br>I'm not sure whether she does support Free Love. She knows I do, we've discussed it.<br><br>One year now. They married last September (?<br>There is a gullible gene in the family. His sister married a Mexican guy- and he disappeared after two years.<br><br>Kate- You have to remember I am quite a cynical male...<br><br>But yes, these are the typical sorts of conversations we have. Especially me. I'm pretty mercenary at times.<br><br>Ginro- Well, we've been in this boat a while. Neither me or the Baker actually approved of the wedding in the first place. and we had long discussions on whether or not to really voice our objections. tell him we REALLY didn't want him to marry her. But we decided against it. We handled it in different ways. The Baker deals with it by avoiding her totally. There is a huge coldness betwen him and her. I was straight with CS, told him I had grave misgivings but was prepared to put them aside socially, for his sake. so me and her are pubvlically huggy huggy kissy kissy, but we embrace with daggars in our grasp, methinks.<br><br>Moggs- Well, yes. This is so. Mind you, I'm not one to preach on that front.<br><br>Shared? It's all his! His parents stumped up half the money for that house. She'll take him to the cleaners!<br><br>He knows I'm always here for him. I'm resigned to picking up the pieces one day.<br><br>I think the thinking is, she is his only black girl, so if it's a white girl, it's not a substiture for her. God knows. I thought it was a silly condition as well, but apparently, these are her rules. But as the Baker says, there may be ulterior points to her rules.<br><br>Deejay- Well, cynical I can be. But as someone once said to me; you can tell the true romantics- they're the ultimate cynics.<br>I think that's true.<br><br>I think it's only when you really are totally cynical, that you understand the value of the things that really matter.<br><br>Like genuine human emotions and interaction formed naturally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-54815407856815290922008-10-20T13:22:00.000-07:002008-10-20T13:22:00.000-07:00andin that whole post I picked out the word Covent...andin that whole post I picked out the word Coventry. I tend ot assume people are in the states or wider world. so is it actually coventry thats a half hour from Leicester? If so, when did they put a fence round the Godiva statue, I grew up sitting onthat plinth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-30501282110171181312008-10-20T15:09:00.000-07:002008-10-20T15:09:00.000-07:00I was straight with CS, told him I had grave misgi...<i>I was straight with CS, told him I had grave misgivings but was prepared to put them aside</i><br><br>I think that is a good approach rather than ignoring the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-91237776518413947962008-10-21T22:59:00.000-07:002008-10-21T22:59:00.000-07:00I'm with Blue Eyes on this one... she's a shady la...I'm with Blue Eyes on this one... she's a shady lady by the sounds of it.<br>The wake sounded like quite the pussy magnet though...(sorry, had to be said)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-11286026490798521932008-10-22T11:18:00.000-07:002008-10-22T11:18:00.000-07:00Hagelrat- It is, yes. I actually don't know Leices...Hagelrat- It is, yes. I actually don't know Leicester that well, but Coventry I go to often.<br>If you know the Skydome, you will know some of the places I sometimes frequent whilst there.<br><br>I don't know about the Godiva statue. I would ask the Chimney Sweep, but he tried to convince me once a random bit of wall miles out from the city centre was part of the old city walls when it blatantly couldn't be so, so I wouldn't much trust his historical data.<br><br>CherryPie- I do, by and large. Me and her have only had one slightly tense moment since the wedding. She overstepped herself once in conversation. Her exact words were 'But then again, it's not something you need worry about. xxx has me now.'<br><br>I just stared at her and we had a little mental battle of wills which ended in a stalemate.<br><br>By and large, she makes a great effort to be nice as pie to me. We have a truce.<br><br>Princess P- I'm always amazed how me and the Baker are in total unison about her almost all the time. He avoids going over there if she's around, because he just thinks if he spends too much time around her he'll say something.<br><br>The wake, well, there were a couple of nice girls there, but the one that most caught my eye was very definitely attached.<br>Not that stopped me trying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com