tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post2719225960024309738..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: When Man Finally Grows UpCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-28440196247006740182009-03-05T00:03:00.000-08:002009-03-05T00:03:00.000-08:00Crushed, Marriage is a contract as much as anythin...Crushed, Marriage is a contract as much as anything else. You,,, and the state... and everyone else has no business telling me what contracts I enter in to. If you think I am making a bad deal fee free to point out why, but that's as far as you get to go with it. <BR/><BR/>If you deliberately weaken it, or make it illegal, then you can also weaken the position of women.Moggs Tigerpawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06050823844924656462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-67051097826880794022009-03-04T15:29:00.000-08:002009-03-04T15:29:00.000-08:00Moggs- I did say the family bond would never total...Moggs- I did say the family bond would never totally disappear...<BR/><BR/>I'm simply looking at how trends are going now and what would happen if we finally abolished wedlock completely (in law, anyway. It would still exist, I'm sure, as a ceremony), lived communally and had full time childcare provision.<BR/><BR/>A typical child in the UK today may or may not live with both biological parents. A majority probably still do, but far less than once did. Most often, either way, the grandparents are involved to a far greater degree than once they were.<BR/><BR/>Reasons? Well, because both parents work. Grandparents often have more time and today are still fit and healthy, which a hundred years ago they might not be. Grandparents are increasingly taking on much of the functions once associated with parenting.<BR/><BR/>Future generations might well decide to have their children young (Between 20 and 25 is the best time, medically), and a granparent made legal guardian, blood parents having a role more like a grown up brother or sister.<BR/><BR/>But the commune as a whole would provide nursing staff to look after all children equally, so the role of a guardian would kind of be more as a role model, someone to take the child out and give them treats, etc.<BR/><BR/>It's that frontier that's in my mind right now. The post above may not seem related, but it is, kind of.<BR/><BR/>I'nm kind of weaving between origins of life and where it's going.<BR/><BR/>This is kind of because I'm starting to focus on what (one of) the actual point(s) of this blog is, which is to kind of thrash together material which one day I hope to publish.<BR/><BR/>They're both main, I think. People can comment on either. We'll see how that pans out. :)<BR/><BR/>Sweet Cheeks- You would, of course, still have such problems.<BR/><BR/>We can't expect Utopia to actually BE perfect. Just an improvement.<BR/><BR/>And- and this is one unfortunate reality- some things thrown up would seem unsatisfactory compared to what preceded them.<BR/><BR/>Bringing children up communally would eliminate many problems, it would probably eliminate much abuse of children, it would create adults better able to exist in communities but also less likely to become dependent on specific individuals.<BR/><BR/>I do believe that for MOST children, it would yield basically happier results. That's not to say that there aren't obviously children for whom it would be a step back. And of course the system would need checks to counter that. If it was a decent system, it would have special procedures for dealing with children who needed extra care.<BR/><BR/>With any advance, something good about the old system is lost. For example, monarchy. Generally speaking, it's a good job we aren't run by absolute monarchs any more. Butthere are examples, as one realises studying history, where monarchy had an edge.<BR/><BR/>And that is, that even if someone is a complete idiot, if they've been learning how to run a country since they were five years old, they know a hell of a lot more about it than someone who just won an election last week.<BR/><BR/>Which is why monarchy lasted so long. You weren't run by the best necessarily, but you were run by people who had been trained to do it.<BR/>Obviously, you lose that when you elect your leaders. But you can make up for that by educating everybody as well as once you only educated the king.<BR/><BR/>The road to perfection is a long road of trial and error :)Crushedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-82686426119609204262009-03-03T09:25:00.000-08:002009-03-03T09:25:00.000-08:00Crushed...I am troubled by this. Parents must rema...Crushed...I am troubled by this. Parents must remain intact as primary providers. Society can help rear a child, but never replace a parent. People are born with specific personalities. While it is true that our behaviors are often influenced by our surroundings, we are who we are - when we are born. One child is calm and inquisitive....another loud and destructive. Same environment, same teachings, totally different children result. This cannot be controlled. In a communal society who will care for the difficult child? Adults would naturally shy away from difficult children and tend to favor the obedient ones and shun a child for not conforming to its peaceful ways. This leaves the biological parent to handle the difficult one. It is unpleasant to deal with a rebellious, nonconforming individual. And there will always be someone rebelling. A person could have every single need/want/desire fulfilled and still be wanting. Still they are unhappy with their lot in life. Still jealous, and envious. Still angry. This will breed resentment of those that fail to conform to communal standards. These forgotten, disliked or rebuffed children will band together in their shared rejection by society. They will grow up and form armies. Anarchy will rise up. It is inevitable. No matter what planet we inhabit, war will come. It is wonderful to strive for holistic peace. It is unattainable. Good news though...the Mayan people predicted we're all dying in 2012 anyways. <BR/>Kisses baby :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-79302384993949733412009-03-02T23:33:00.000-08:002009-03-02T23:33:00.000-08:00Well I don't think I would want to have grown up w...Well I don't think I would want to have grown up without parents. As a child it was important to be to be able to go home and shut the door to have my family round me, the support it offered. <BR/><BR/>Even now my home is still my castle. <BR/><BR/>My parents do have names ^_^ but I never use them. <BR/><BR/>I figure we do need a frontier though. That is missing. We need some place on a map that says "Here be dragons".<BR/><BR/>So is this your main blog now Crushed? I can't figure out where to comment.Moggs Tigerpawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06050823844924656462noreply@blogger.com