tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post5909546789097535538..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: Cecil Rhodes- Hero or Villain?Crushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-61924566632901871202008-07-22T17:08:00.000-07:002008-07-22T17:08:00.000-07:00Not being pessimistic here but there will never be...Not being pessimistic here but there will never be true democracy across the globe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-41818856882085563672008-07-23T00:31:00.000-07:002008-07-23T00:31:00.000-07:00Now here is a thought. Who exactly was it that tau...Now here is a thought. <br><br>Who exactly was it that taught you to feel uncomfortable about the Union Jack and things done under it's waving banner?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-58756712670398408772008-07-23T01:30:00.000-07:002008-07-23T01:30:00.000-07:00Yes a great post Mr I. I still think the idea of ...Yes a great post Mr I. I still think the idea of world government is mad though...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-18749155374097708012008-07-23T08:59:00.000-07:002008-07-23T08:59:00.000-07:00Sir,I don't believe in democracy, and I don't beli...Sir,<br><br>I don't believe in democracy, and I don't believe in world government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-74143766328141655742008-07-23T10:42:00.000-07:002008-07-23T10:42:00.000-07:00Nunyaa- Yes you are, and why not? :)I believe ther...Nunyaa- Yes you are, and why not? :)<br><br>I believe there can and will be.<br><br>Moggs- Well, it's kind of what is caught up in it. It's hard to separate the flag from the image of white supremacy, monarchy, Unionism and jingoism.<br>Because essentially, that's part- though certainly not the whole part- of what it represents.<br><br>Mutley- Well, not if its federal democratic one. Long term it makes sense. These days the world is too small for nation states to have a place.<br><br>JK Baltzersen- Which, under a democracy, is your prerogative. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-73903769571673835852008-07-23T16:31:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:31:00.000-07:00No I am not Crushed, I see that as there are so ma...No I am not Crushed, I see that as there are so many differences in this world and human nature being what it is, not all will agree. <br>To me it is idealistic to think that there will be a true democracy world wide. Be nice if there was but life goes on as it does now regardless. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-4567131615497533752008-07-23T22:18:00.000-07:002008-07-23T22:18:00.000-07:00(1) If you have a ruling monarch, would that reall...(1) If you have a ruling monarch, would that really constitute a democracy? Especially if other people are deliberately excluded?<br><br>(2) The question of hero or villain might be a misleading one, for in its dichotomous nature it doesn't leave much in terms of consequences. While Rhodes believed in progress (whatever that means), would those living in Africa view it as such? Why wouldn't their opinions matter?<br><br>And the consequences have been devastating to many. Whatever good might of come from this, the people paying the stiffest price weren't really the people who were profitting the most.<br><br>(3) As far as what may or may not be racist in this context, it might be secondary to how we consider the nature of entitlement.<br><br>(4) With respect to how we consider someone a villain, we often rely on stereotypes that depict the antagonist as rotten to the core, having little or no redeeming characteristics. Problem is, everyone who has caused evil believed that they were acting on behalf of some greater good, and will always find things to support this opinion. The Nazis thought they were purifying Europe. Indigenous American genecide was condoned on the pretense of saving the souls of pagan savages by civilizing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-88450619421528950072008-07-24T00:24:00.000-07:002008-07-24T00:24:00.000-07:00Oh dear Crushed! You have a nasty case of politici...Oh dear Crushed! You have a nasty case of politician-itis. Take a cure quick;-) before it is too late.<br><br>You answered a question I didn't ask, one you made up, not the one I asked ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-57310510038360719572008-07-24T01:18:00.000-07:002008-07-24T01:18:00.000-07:00Great post here. I think I know what Moggs Tigerp...Great post here. I <i>think</i> I know what Moggs Tigerpaw is on about. Why should we feel shame about our countrie's flag? PC and the multiculturists ideals try to make us so. We shouldn't be. <br>I was sat here wondering how many nations within the Anglosphere have been at war with each other in the past 150 years or so?<br>And how many nations <i>outside</i> the Anglosphere have been at war and/or started war with others?<br>The answers are quite revealing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-33182122804274624542008-07-24T11:50:00.000-07:002008-07-24T11:50:00.000-07:00Nunyaa- I believe it will come, but not under the ...Nunyaa- I believe it will come, but not under the present economic system.<br><br>I don't think life as now WILL carry on regardless.<br>Ternty years tops, the Capitalist system.<br><br>X-dell- One of the reasons monarchy survived here was probably because, unlike other European monarchies, it has for all practical purpose been a cunningly disguised republic since 1688. One nineteenth century constitutional expert called it a republic with a hereditary president.<br><br>Certainly last century, it was probably- unlike now- the free-est place in the world.<br><br>I think its one of those cases that isn't clear cut. I think when when looks at a lot of these characters, there single mindedness has effectively driven thenm to just plough for their aims, roughshod through the lives of others. No historical change comes without suffering.<br><br>I think Africa is still paying the price for colonialism today. But on the other hand, we have to accept that ONE day, globalisation would happen, its a necessary part of human development. It's naive to think that once Steamships and Airoplanes come into the equation that a global society wouldn't emerge.<br>That's perhaps the context I try to see it in. How the players saw it in relation to long term interests of all.<br><br>Perhaps history will judge him much the same way it judges Roman Generals.<br><br>Moggs- If you question was why I get uncomfortable with Jingoism, well, because a lot of what was done in its name has kind of an uncomfortable feel to it, and whilist some of the more negative ovetones of Imperialism linger on in current thinking- notably neo-con thought, it remains difficult to apply objective analysis to its legacy.<br><br>I wouldn't go so far as to call it a symbol of Fascism, but it certainly isn't a symbol of enlightened progress. Not any more.<br><br>Ginro- Yes and no. I'd agree, I think the legacy of the British Empire was positive on the whole, I've done several posts on it.<br>But so was the Roman, and I have no intention of wearing T-shirts with SPQR qritten on them.<br><br>I think the global society that we have and most of its BETTER ideals- but also some of its less savoury have their origibn in the society that emerged in these islands after the turbulent 17th century.<br><br>But the Union Jack? its not the flag of a country- it never was, it was adopted when the Empire emerged- in fact even the concept of Britishness, is an Imperial one.<br><br>But the Empire is gone. And its decayed shell is the Union, and the Union Jack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-86531214788457941312008-07-25T00:43:00.000-07:002008-07-25T00:43:00.000-07:00For goodness sake crushed!! The question was the a...For goodness sake crushed!! The question was the actual question!!<br><br>The sort that might make you think about how concepts are snuck in under your radar, so you never think to question them. <br><br>Who taught you that or how did you learn it? By implication why? What agenda did they have?<br><br>Not saying it is right or wrong, but you question the prevailing received wisdom about CR. Maybe take yet another step back? At least so you know where you are coming from.<br><br>Like checking the foundations of a house...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com