tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post9029710041777241766..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: Market Forces- A Political OfferCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-11166728894721232192008-07-29T18:54:00.000-07:002008-07-29T18:54:00.000-07:00Two Grand.To sleep with another man for the weeken...<i>Two Grand.<br>To sleep with another man for the weekend.</i><br><br>I hope you would regret it more if you had. Male or female.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-82974064284456617122008-07-29T20:40:00.000-07:002008-07-29T20:40:00.000-07:00(1) This is an interesting political evolution, o...(1) This is an interesting political evolution, one that seems almost completely devoid of ideology. I'm actually curious about where you'll wind up eventually.<br><br>(2) I was listening to an interview on Black Op Radio with this guy who made a documentary movie which tried to champion the lone-nut theory of the JFK assassination. When asked why he would attempt to take on a thesis that was so provably false, he said something to the effect that he had formerly been an adherent of the conspiracy theory, back when it was unpopular. When it began to gain credibility in the eyes of others, he became less "on-the-edge," as this view is becoming more the mainstream. Basically, he began to champion the other side, because it was now the disreputable one. He seemed uncomfortable having the majority opinion. Of course, he fancied himself something of a rebel. <br><br>(3) Forgive me for thinking about this in these terms, but the proposition in the bar seems like something that might have had political overtones. After all of my research, I'm beginning to sense that people are not put into positions of authority, unless there is some way to control them, to keep them from being truly independent. Part 9of me suspects there might have been cmeras, or other evidence gatherers waiting for you at that hotel. Even though you have no problem with homosexuality, some of your constituency (had you gone into politics) would. And just about any potential voter would have chafed over the thought of electing someone who had done prostitution. <br><br>I'd almost fear that someone could have held that over your head for the rest of your life. I can understand the regret, and I can understand why people do such things. I wouldn't see anything morally wrong with your accepting the offer. I could also see you as a rising political star, partly due to this.<br><br>At the same time, I think I understand enough about you that you would have really regretted an attempt to coopt you, or a threat to your independence. I don't really think you should have a reret about the incident.<br><br>(4) I could also see you as a successful politician, were it not for some of the unfortunate incidents, about which you've blogged earlier. I'm beginning to wonder if those had some connection to this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-59771849959387881732008-07-30T11:33:00.000-07:002008-07-30T11:33:00.000-07:00jmb- I don't know. We all sell ourselves, day in, ...jmb- I don't know. We all sell ourselves, day in, day out.<br>It's where you draw the line. Have I ever accepted cash directly in exchange for intimacy/sex?<br>No.<br><br>But indirectly, yes. I've been in arrangements. When I was 21 I used to have a woman who did all my domestic chores for me and even used to take me to the pub for free, in exchange for me sleeping with her. And we were both quite clear on the score.<br><br>And even a lot of relationships I've been in. I was just content to settle and be kept. Is that any better than prostitution?<br><br>I've sold myself pretty cheap over the years.<br>So regrets? Yes, I regret just how cheaply I used to sell myself.<br><br>X-dell- I don't know, it is an evolution, though of course it doesn't make sene to a lot of people until you understand the obvious.<br><br>First, left and right are complete bollocks.<br><br>The centre is the status quo. Call it what you like, its believing in gradual change within the system as it stands- but ultimately it believes in gradually making the current system more caring.<br><br>The extremes both agree on thing- things as they stand are screwed.<br><br>Now, the real difference betwen traditional left and traditional right is WHY things are screwed.<br><br>The right believe someONE is to blame, usually. That the earlier, happier days (because life actually WAS better thirty years ago), wwere happier because there no black folk and family values ruled, etc, etc.<br><br>The left believe that the failings are systematic- that the system needs wholesale reform.<br><br>The question is, who is right?<br><br>Now the problem with the left-right model is it ignores the obvious; thee ae many types of past to look back on, and many futures to hope for.<br><br>Now I started my political life as a Thatcherite- but contrary to popular imaging, there's nothing conservative with a small c about Thatcherism.<br><br>And nor is it dead- It's just morphed overseas and become Nwo-Conservatism. But its the same creed.<br><br>And what actually IS it?<br><br>As a creed, it has much more in common with Marxism than its adherants care to admit- genuine Marxist theory, not the bastard versions we saw in the twentieth century. It's just that it's built on a false premise- that capitalism can continue indefinitely and that the market is always right, with a few concessions to religion thrown in. But traditional, it most certainly ain't. Which is why I bought it for so long.<br><br>The only real leap I had to make, was go back to Marx, actually READ what he wrote properly- which I did for the simple reason that the cogs had started to move and I was starting to realise that like perpetual motion, perpetual growth in an interest based- but finite economy can only serve long term to increase over time the total proportion of the world's material assets in the hands of the largest lenders.<br><br>A Neo con is a Marxist who hasn't understood Marx, or who just refuses to believe and thinks that capitalism can be saved by just being a bit more brutal.<br><br>I think you're right, I think I did join the Tories partly because it was the ultimate avant garde thing to do back then.<br><br>It's interesting you make the point of cameras in the hotel. Sometimes people think I'm ridiculously paranoid with the distrust levels I have about the society we live in, but frankly, I do think they keep a lot more information on all of us than we know. And yes, I'm sure they use it to make sure politics goes the way it should- amongst other things.<br><br>It's funny, writing this comment, and bearing in mind another comment I received on something else, it occurs me that they actually have done it, changed the political future of this country. It's an idea I've long been convinced of, but I think it will be the subject of tonights post.<br><br>Well, it might be a wild thing to say, that I think there WERE other considerations involved in the 'unfortunate incidents', but I'm damn sure there was, and again, people say I'm being wild asserting this until you present them with the facts.<br>I was fairly convicted- in a sense. <br><br>But in fact, I wasn't. The grounds for appeal against the SENTENCE were bang on, in terms of law. The sentence shouldn't have been upheld. The prosecution specifically sought conviction on the basis that there was no evidence to support commercial supply- so they went for social supply- but I was sentenced as a commercial supplier. Now there is absolutely no way the jury would have convicted, if the law was commercioal gain had to be proved, because it was obvious I wasn't making any money out of it.<br><br>You should see our school reports here now- and they've probably got worse since I was at school. They're full folders of paperwork, once a term with whole tables of ticked boxes.<br><br>They even CALL them 'profiles'. What more do you need to know?<br><br>Do I think there was a file on me somewhere with 'Potential loose cannon' marked on it, even before I graduated?<br><br>Call me paranoid, but damn right I do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-80002808001314842992008-07-30T14:30:00.000-07:002008-07-30T14:30:00.000-07:00Where do you draw the line? I cut&paste this f...Where do you draw the line? I cut&paste this from <a href="http://50books.blogspot.com/2005/10/etc-i-am-not-whore-oh-wait-yes-i-am.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> (it being the first result on google). I am positive it's Shaw:<br><br>"A certain gentleman inquired of a lady whether she would be willing to sleep with him for 50,000 pounds. After some hesitation, the lady replied that she supposed she would, in consideration of the magnitude of the offer. Then he asked whether she would sleep with him for twopence.<br><br>"Certainly not," she responded with indignation. "Just what kind of lady do you think I am?"<br><br>"Madam, I believe we have already established that," he remarked calmly. "Now we are just haggling over the price."<br><br>For the experience, yes. Just for money? Surely never. Can you not see the irony in a person with your nom de plume regretting not subjugating themselves to someone with more money and (as conventionally judged) social status?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-8890825502837492242008-07-30T17:10:00.000-07:002008-07-30T17:10:00.000-07:00£2000 is lot of money but surely you value yoursel...£2000 is lot of money but surely you value yourself more than that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-43623358355006331092008-07-31T07:11:00.000-07:002008-07-31T07:11:00.000-07:00Am with Bunny on this one :-)Am with Bunny on this one :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-57664095545065884942008-07-31T11:13:00.000-07:002008-07-31T11:13:00.000-07:00X dell's suggestion of the camera sounds quite pla...X dell's suggestion of the camera sounds quite plausible to me, I think you would have regretted it more if you had done it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-5229311268424822862008-07-31T13:18:00.000-07:002008-07-31T13:18:00.000-07:00Ian- I take your point, but I guess in this instan...Ian- I take your point, but I guess in this instance a lot more complex factors merge.<br>I'm not entirely sure that sex for money is necessarily subjagating onself.<br><br>A street girl who sells herself for a tenner, yes, that's exploitation, but the high class call girl? The lap dancer?<br>I'm rather of the opinion those who have to pay for it, are the exploited...<br><br>Oestrebunny- These days I doubt anyone would pay £20 for me! :)<br><br>Nunyaa- £3,000? Should that be my price? ;)<br><br>CherryPie- Maybe. If he looked anything like the guy who proposed it, then yes, I would have.<br><br>Who knows. Chances are I'd have bottled it. Liberal as I am on this topic, when it comes to it, it never sems quite right. Men just don't QUITE float my boat. C'est la vie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-80364119503918922902008-08-01T13:10:00.000-07:002008-08-01T13:10:00.000-07:00Great post, thanks - I have linked to it.Great post, thanks - I have linked to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com