tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post2589271840913013178..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: Internet EdenCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-1673030652931365842008-07-12T19:07:00.000-07:002008-07-12T19:07:00.000-07:00Real people behind the pc, real thoughts and ideas...Real people behind the pc, real thoughts and ideas. <br>Internet is just another medium to meeting people and if it goes further than emails then great for those concerned. Go for it. ;-)<br>Thanks for the mention Crushed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-82265802793143242582008-07-12T19:11:00.000-07:002008-07-12T19:11:00.000-07:00Apparently, he'd rather have just the mind of this...<i>Apparently, he'd rather have just the mind of this girl, than the mind AND body of anyone else, given the choice.</i><br><br>Well he's a fool or he has not chosen his relationship wisely. He is either "settling" or chosen the wrong person in 3D. No wonder he would not give up 2D. <br><br>While there are close connections made online between bloggers, after all we share things we never would in RL, they don't seem to last unless brought into RL. It's like ships that pass in the night, linger for a while then move on. Friendships, or loves. They are not real unless you make them real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-47758002491419468512008-07-13T08:55:00.000-07:002008-07-13T08:55:00.000-07:00(1) It seems to me that meatspace interaction hide...(1) It seems to me that meatspace interaction hides more than it does on the Internet. People wear masks all the time in face-to-face interaction, and the level of deception is probably just as great if not greater.<br><br>(2) I'm finding that people really recreate meatspace in cyberspace whether they want to or not. Thus, here, we have an extension of the world as we know it.<br><br>Take trolls, for example. Do you really think that people who have nothing better to do than to hunt down sites and try to ignite flame wars have that sucessful a social life in meatspace, by-and-large? I would guess that the same misanthropy and lack of social grace would translate from sphere into the other, and vice-versa. <br><br>That someone cn hide behind facelessness implies that they are giving you a truer picture of who they really are than you would get in meatspace,and in a shorter amount of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-23429019379942732142008-07-13T14:12:00.000-07:002008-07-13T14:12:00.000-07:00Friendships, or loves. They are not real unless yo...<i>Friendships, or loves. They are not real unless you make them real.</i><br><br>That is the truth of the matter!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-41219440515599239202008-07-13T14:35:00.000-07:002008-07-13T14:35:00.000-07:00Nunyaa- My point.I'm not sure as I see it just abo...Nunyaa- My point.<br>I'm not sure as I see it just about meeting people, I think it is a thought transmission network, primarily.<br><br>I will be posting in the week on the topic your post raised.<br><br>jmb- He's kind of single. I'm not sure he's a fool. But I'd say he chooses poor relationships most of the time- settles, yes.<br><br>I'n not sure how often they last, I've only been online just over a year. But several have lasted that long.<br><br>The impression I got was that he thought, having met this person, that though he knows it could never be 'real' (as in, 3D), he didn't want to 'settle', now that he has a vision of something that wasn't 'settling'.<br><br>X-dell- Yes, I agree. I think people often show themselves as who they are, to some degree.<br>I think a lot of people are very genuine, one or two aren't, but as you say, there probably the same in the real world.<br><br>Yes, I think you're right about the trolls. But what is in RL, a social inadadquecy, becomes here, a social nuisance.<br><br>CherryPie- But whats real?<br><br>The connection cannot be judged in 3D terms, to do so is futile. This is where people go wrong.<br>But it is SOMETHING.<br><br>Quite what, I don't think we quite yet know.<br>Its all still too early in the life of the medium.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-92041404947887966552008-07-14T05:27:00.000-07:002008-07-14T05:27:00.000-07:00Crushed, Now this is a really interesting post th...Crushed, Now this is a really interesting post that makes some really neat points. But maybe you need to think as much in terms of Second Life, as the net with blogs and IM systems…<br><br>I think that maybe the whole net may eventually drift into something more like sl. It is an intuitive way of doing things. Using avatars. In sl you can have multiple threads of conversations. It drives some pretty indigent people crazy trying to cope. You can have multiple conversations going in local chat. When you throw in IMs then it can really get complicated. <br><br>But when you get used to it, it works great. Better than outworld rl (or 3d as you dub it) conversations in many respects. <br><br>Relationships. I don’t suppose JMB will mind me mentioning her. I know her through sl. I bet I see her probably very differently from how some of those who meet her in rl do. To me she is sensible, mature, but also young and adventurous with sophisticated tastes. We do chat on a bit sometimes, visit together, swap details of good stores, ask each other advice about stuff. I see her as a friend. We never met in rl, probably never will. <br><br>I got a blogging ID to visit her site and others she mentioned. She is right that like any relationship, you have to work at sl friendships. But they are as real.<br><br>I have a number of really good girlfriends, who the most I know of them are their nationality. International time lines are such a nuisance sometimes if you are trying to organise an outing to suit a group of friends.<br><br>Ok. Hanging myself out to dry here...<br><br>Love. I can sympathise/understand your friend. I have a man friend in sl (that’s you CP, if you ever read this, just so you know) who I am pretty crazy about. Didn’t mean for it to happen, just sort of snuck up on me before I knew it.<br><br>I don’t know what he looks like, how old he is. Nor do I plan to find out. We live on different continents. We have never met and not likely to. We have our own lives. This is a ‘bolt on extra’ that on balance makes things better.<br><br>We talk, we go dancing, surfing, swimming, Hang gliding, jet ski, exploring, hang out with friends in clubs, bars, the beach, make out on the beach. You know, have fun together - and yes, as much as it is possible in sl cuddle, kiss, hug, and make love. I dress to please him, I went blond the other day for GS, just to please! I see him as often as we can manage.<br><br>We get on together, watch out for each other. It is more a personality/mind thing. Same with my other friends. And many of them have romantic attachments too.<br><br>The emotions, real to me, to many of us, based on how strongly others clearly feel them. If you have a reasonably active imagination the whole this is surprisingly like ‘real’ experience. There again How do we experience rl experience? In our heads. We get signals from biological sensors that we interpret as seeing, hearing, touch, smell, taste. Currently sl is limited to most of us as seeing and hearing. But for how much longer?<br><br>I bet plenty of gamers come close to forgetting they are not actually in World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy.<br><br>Go on Baht_At, say something cutting, you know you want to ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-61449826287040796292008-07-14T14:59:00.000-07:002008-07-14T14:59:00.000-07:00Moggs makes some really interesting points in rela...Moggs makes some really interesting points in relation to your post.<br><br>I wish she had a blog of her own too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-43032838519984304652008-07-16T04:21:00.000-07:002008-07-16T04:21:00.000-07:00Thanks CherryPie :-)Thanks CherryPie :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com