tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post3683313388752880423..comments2023-10-10T05:17:55.737-07:00Comments on Crushed By Ingsoc: Capricious GodsCrushedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479751225625007588noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-25411210659699837072008-12-03T19:34:00.000-08:002008-12-03T19:34:00.000-08:00Very interesting to read, Crushed.I have read litt...Very interesting to read, Crushed.<br><br>I have read little bits about the ancient gods and beliefs and yes, their gods were mischievous and fickle and very human in their follies. <br>Interesting that our Christian God is very much unlike that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-21777718079296306962008-12-04T01:08:00.000-08:002008-12-04T01:08:00.000-08:00I think this is basically quite an insightful post...I think this is basically quite an insightful post I lots of ways. You make some pretty good points, but I figure you gloss over stuff that does not quite fit your point. I think you do that sometimes.<br><br>Good point about Chronos. Not nice, with very bad paternal instincts (but he was learning from scratch). The next generation are not as bad, but pretty dysfunctional. Their kids though had to accommodate their parents and each other. They would have had some idea what it was like to be human because they had to fit in with each other and learn to get along, patience, etc. <br><br>Maybe the next generation…<br><br>As for grown up gods? You did you read the old testament? Is this really about the same sort of personality that would go all hippy with the JC option? <br><br>Think about it. Vicious, cruel, jealous, takes sides, easily manipulated by his opposite number… <br><br>Must have got himself a real good publicist before the second half of his autobiography went to press.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-17282228283277954932008-12-04T07:05:00.000-08:002008-12-04T07:05:00.000-08:00I never looked at it quite like that before - very...I never looked at it quite like that before - very well written and insightful.<br><br>CatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-84581964737710764852008-12-04T10:39:00.000-08:002008-12-04T10:39:00.000-08:00There would be a time, in the not so distant futur...There would be a time, in the not so distant future, when our present society would be referred to by the future societies as ancients. And they would see our beliefs just as we see the ancients' beliefs. <br><br>By persistently seeking the identity of the supreme being in the outside world, (just as we persistently seek our own identity through the outside world - whether it be our nationality, race, religion, beliefs, philosophies, thoughts, jobs, possessions, achievements or whatever) we humans very often end up making up Gods in our image and likeness, with some accentuated or disproportionately magnified properties. <br><br>And so for the ancients, their images of God were what they considered as somewhat ideal for their perceptions and imaginations. And when someone like Jesus comes along and does things that most humans cannot get themselves to do, we simply label it as impossible for us to do. We find it easier to simply worship the people who do things that we find it easier t do.<br><br>And around these people, the theorists and the schemers who are perennially trying to associate meaning with the physical world of external appearances, form scores of religions.<br><br><br><br>It is in the moment when we honestly go deep within ourselves to try and comprehend who we really are, who the "I" that we use so often really Is, that we find that pure divinity that all great men and women and masters from all traditions and religions have talked about, though with different words, different languages, and different phraseologies.<br><br>Different pointers pointing to the same direction.<br><br><br>I'm sorry if I deviated off-topic; or if I caused any reactivity or hurt to anyone; that was most definitely not my intention.<br><br>--<br><a href="http://www.drippingvanilla.com/" rel="nofollow">Sumedh</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3334391160365031546.post-78245906226834074102008-12-06T08:54:00.000-08:002008-12-06T08:54:00.000-08:00Kate- They behave like children. And they're prett...Kate- They behave like children. And they're pretty nasty to eachother.<br><br>Loki is a fascinating case in point. He probably made life in Asgard more interesting, but there seems to be a sense in which the Gods were just BORED most of the time. Sif wakes up one day and finds someone has cut all her hair off in her sleep.<br>Er-why?<br><br>Maybe Loki had a cameraphone...<br><br>Moggs- They still don't tend to be good losers.<br>Don't compete against a God and win.<br>And if two Gods have a debate on something, you don't want to be the adjudicator.<br>Athene- supposedly the Godess of Wisdom, decided she hated the Trojans because Paris thought Aphrodite was sexier.<br><br>Your point about the OT God is interesting. The idea, I suppose, is that God CHANGED by becoming human. He learned to be a better God, one less disposed to turning people into lumps of salt, etc.<br><br>Though the Gnostic heresy realised a problem. If God was all knowing, then surely he'd never have been that bad to begin with?<br>answer: The OT was based on a lie. The OT God, wasn't God. Jesus came to preach the TRUE God, the OT God being...the Devil.<br><br>As I think you may have noticed, I have a lot of sympathy for the Gnostic position.<br><br>Cat- It's just how I see it.<br><br>People often don't seem to grasp the place of Christian thought in the development of ideology. But that's of course what it is, the world's first ideology.<br>It's roots aren't in the OT, contrary to popular belief, but in Platonic and Aristotelian thought.<br><br>It's a set of intellectual propositions, as opposed to a set of myths.<br><br>Sumedh- I suspect they'll see a clear difference.<br>It's worth noting that the religions which survivd did so because they offered a moral system. Kind of Survival of the fittest, in religious terms.<br><br>Christianity, and the Catholic Church especially, have found their historial legacy being attacked, now we have eascaped their power.<br><br>I think that leads us to ignore quite the change in the human psyche brought about by it.<br><br>In a very real sense, 'We're all Christians now'.<br><br>The moral system proposed by Christianity, has essentially triumphed.<br><br>I think any faith today attempting to be even remotely plausible, cannot remain wedded to the idea of personal deities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com